I acknowledge that the LIV qualifier event was awesome.
any idea on if this will happen? I love watching a tournament with the odds up, and in my opinion the team events need it even more than the individual because it is harder to truly follow it closely. I think the team part adds so much to the broadcast and league as a whole (with much more potential) and hope the site adds it
I don’t know, I think we need more interest from our users in LIV to justify creating a new page for team predictions. Nobody cares about these events… probably in large part because they are just horrific from a betting standpoint. Here are views of our player profile pages by event this week:
And this is LIV going against arguably the worst PGA Tour event of the year and a below-average DPWT event (maybe not in terms of field quality, but it’s a new course and half the field is lesser-known Japanese players):
It’s a fascinating experiment, LIV is this product basically nobody cares about being propped up by Saudi billions. Their free Youtube streams get like 5-10K views throughout the week, and then max out at 20K in final rounds. The LIV bots claim they get their views elsewhere, but shouldn’t a free broadcast on the most popular website in the world do pretty well?
For reference the Myrtle Beach qualifier video with George Bryan and others averaged 20-25K throughout.
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But why not just add it in? I’ve noticed last few events the betting options are growing.
Those views don’t seem that bad when you figure LIV has less than 40% the field size of the two events ahead of it and you don’t offer any team specific stuff, there is no DFS, betting options are rare and they don’t offer shotlink data.
While you are broadly right that no one watches it. I think the arrow is up for LIV, they clearly work at improving the product a lot harder than the PGA does and I think team golf is a great idea that is at risk of dying because of how political it’s become in golf and partially how they haven’t nailed it
Well, it takes work to add it. We’d need to add stuff to our simulation code to get the probabilities, and then figure out how we want to display it.
The views are pretty bad. They are top-heavy by field, so field size isn’t that critical as the bottom half of fields wont get many views. Of the top 50 most-viewed players this week, 47 are in Zurich and 3 (Rahm, Bryson, Cam) are in Adelaide.
We do offer DFS for LIV, and most books offer the usual betting options (outrights and matchups) it’s just not very interesting because it’s the same 54 golfers every week.
What is the evidence that team golf is something fans want? I actually don’t think team golf is that politicized… all the “alternative” media folks (NLU, the Fried Egg) want team golf, for some reason.
You ask why not. I ask why. I would rather they not waste precious time coding something that nobody cares about and isn’t value added.
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Well I do care about so it is a selfish thing I guess. I actually think it would be huge value added as I think broadly most people can gut call which individuals have a chance reasonably effectively but team wise it’s much harder.
Fair point about DFS, that is maybe a new addition as I hadn’t noticed it. I don’t think having the same golfers week on week hurts it that much for DFS as MLB has broadly same player pool.
In terms of team golf, I don’t think it’s something Fans necessarily want now but think eventually it could be really additive and one of few things golf can do to improve product, why it’s so high risk now and why I want to push for tools to support it. I think the camaraderie of it is good for players, and it doesn’t detract at all from fans who want to just watch individual event while being additive to those who like to follow team event. Should eventually add stories when Teams trade/sign/bench players but they clearly are not at that point now. I think there is a big hurdle to get over to get it established and they are working on that now and I want to help that.
NLU long ago seemed to want the entire PGAT to be like LIV actually but now that LIV is here they have been, bar brandel, probably loudest voices against it and I think team golf on real courses is now kind of associated with LIV in a way
Here is the issue with “team golf”
For it to actually be interesting, it cannot run concurrently with a regular stroke play event. The way LIV does it now, effectively they just sum four random players scores together. There is no strategic team element. The point of team sports is for individuals to work together and earn a victory over other groups of individuals. You cannot just mash scores together and say hey, care about these teams!
There needs to be true head-to-head competition, probably utilizing match play to some extent. There also needs to be real stakes. The Ryder Cup is successful because we have elite players competing against each other, and they care a lot about the result. Oh and financial incentives are irrelevant. LIV Golf has none of that. It’s really that simple why people don’t care.
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While I agree match play works a lot better (and find the team title events really exciting) and agree broadly there is no strategy to team golf I still find it additive. It’s sort of exciting to see the pathetic IronHeads wearing absurd matching polls catch fire and lead the team event.
I don’t think abandoning individual play totally is the way to go either, which is why I like the blend here. It doesn’t hurt anything and adds a bit of drama. I agree no one will care at first but over time if you just keep at it people will care. Ironheads sort of have some identity now in a way just because they’ve been around for 25 events. Just have to keep at it and there will eventually be fans i think, get through the ridicule and early problems.
I think once teams go to 5 players and one guy has to be benched each week or there are better rules and clarity on how players are signed/contracts/etc that part will be additive also. Fans love playing GM
New User here, just got into golf betting from a discord and everyone was talking about DataGolf. I just had decent success in the Canadian Open but it seems very limited to PGA tour schedule. Any chance datagolf is adding LIV to the rotation or others like Womens golf ?
Thanks !
LIV, Euro (DPWT), and KFT are already handled in the same way the the PGA (and any opposite) events are. This discussion is really only debating whether to come up with a tool for the team bets within LIV.
No live model/outrights tool this week because the DPWT is a mixed event with a bunch of golfers not in the database.
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how does this look?
|3 |stinger gc |0.14883 |571|
|0 |crushers gc |0.12993 |669|
|1 |torque gc |0.12869 |677|
|4 |ripper gc |0.11754 |750|
|2 |legion xiii |0.10505 |851|
|8 |rangegoats gc |0.08314 |1102|
|5 |fireballs gc |0.07752 |1189|
|6 |smash gc |0.07036 |1321|
|7 |4aces gc |0.04833 |1969|
|9 |cleeks gc |0.04347 |2200|
|11 |hyflyers gc |0.02444 |3991|
|10 |iron heads gc |0.01674 |5873|
|12 |majesticks gc |0.00596 |16678|
Thats perfect answer, first time seeing DPWT it so happens that I chose a bad week. Thanks for the information !
I’m new to this sport, is there anything I should be looking at when doing models or sims ? did 2 parlays one went 5-5 the other 0-4 both used the same strategy which is getting EV out of Datagolf.
Don’t do parlays. Reduces edge.
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Curious what you mean by that
Rahm WD with infected foot even though he was 3 under for the event. Oosty WDed before the start of R2 and CHIII WDed before the event started. Will their be a sub for RAHM tomorrow? I don’t know if there are any subs left.
I assumed he meant that they never pay out their true odds?
no necessarily, Parlays for match up that have EV are good. I only do EV plays to get the edge.