Ryder Cup 2023 (it's time!)

Can someone please explain the difference between these two bets?

Ryder

USA lifts the trophy if itā€™s a draw so add the percentage chance of a draw to the Americans in that bet.

In draw no bet, draw is a push.

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A bit about Moliā€™s huge interest and approach to the statistics.

Molinari is great. Canā€™t recall if I mentioned it before on here, but we chatted with him for a couple hours when we were at Hilton Head (weā€™d exchanged emails a few times before, and introduced ourselves on the range). Heā€™s a humble guy who actually knows his stuff, unlike some other people in that space who just hype up their work when their clients win while providing no real evidence or accounting of what they actually do.

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Awesome! Didnā€™t know that, but feel free to tell us more :smiley:

Thatā€™s exactly the picture that has grown to me. At first I didnā€™t realize how much he was acutally into it, remember hearing about his skill of remembering golf shots some years ago, it sounded more like some party trick with a crowd of easily impressed, fellow golfers.

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So the Euros are setting the course up with really thick rough to punish wayward drivers and make people lay up off the tee, making their average approach distance longer and less wedges into the green (Apparently that is where they excel the most).

Is that actually a good strategy for them? Like looking at the accuracy OTT and approach stats the Americans are pretty superior, especially towards the bottom end of the teams. Hojgaard and Bob will struggle with this, Fitzpatrick kind of sprays it as well.

What has happened recently to make the Euroā€™s come in so much, I donā€™t get it. Obviously they were going to play well in the duster tournaments that ran recently, the fields were awful.

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I think maybe Hovland got impressed by a party trick:

Hovland called Molinari ā€œa genius with the stats.ā€ Fitzpatrick said heā€™s ā€œone of the smartest people Iā€™ve ever met.ā€ He can memorize a full deck of cards within a few minutes.

I donā€™t know about you guys, but I can tell you every card in a full deck without even looking at them.

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Have they said the setup is changing from what it was at the Italian Open earlier this year? Rough was pretty thick then, I believe.

And locking in some more. 1.85x americans to lift the trophy.

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@matt_courchene What is the model doing for Euro home advantage?

Nothing explicit, but what changed the 54% to 50% this week in our forecast was accounting for course-specific stuff. USA getting penalized for having never played the course, and then also having a worse country adjustment. Course fit didnā€™t favour either team. Net result was a 0.1 narrowing of avg skill between teams.

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Going through course data to predict some foursome pairing strategy.

Not an exact science but looks likeā€¦

Player A (odd holes) probably needs to be better iron player, hitting twice as many approaches. Three of four par threes are odd holes.

Player B (even holes) needs to be the better putter, hitting nearly twice as many key/birdie putts.

also take note that the one ball rule WILL NOT be in effect.

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Sam Torrance commentates the high fescue; ā€œGlad Woosie isnā€™t playing or weā€™d might lose himā€¦ā€ :joy:

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Iā€™m on USA, Scheffler top American, and a prop I found that I like is ā€œMatches to reach #18ā€ U10.5. Anyone else find anything that they like? Iā€™m excited to see the lines on these matches, almost always have some value.

Monty just said that the greens today on the All star spectacle was at around 10.5 on the stimpmeter. Will probably be a bit faster alter on, but his conclusion was that it obviously was a calculated set up to gain the europeans, with the americans potentially struggling on slower greens, not being as used to it on the PGAT.

edit: donā€™t see it as more than a minor factor, if anything, my self.

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Americans now the underdogs at most books!

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Fools, Schefller can now putt with freedom! They just reincarnated Tiger Woods, mwuahahahaha

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USA @2.28 on the Exchange? Are these guys fuckin nuts?

The hype train has officially railroaded straight through everyoneā€™s cerebral cortex if you actually think the Americans are the dogs in this fight. Cant wait to see Luke Donald spending 5 minutes looking for Hojgaards ball every time he tees off.

If you think a slow green is going to trip up Brian Harman you have lost your mind. The Americans are in the best shape they have ever been to win a Ryder Cup and if they had played the same schedule as the Euros in the last month the tables would have been completely turned by the bookmakers. Huge USA value right now, the likes of which may never be seen again.

Also they left out Adrian Meronk who has gone 1st and 2nd last 2 times he has played this course and is arguably better than 1/2 their team. LFG!!!

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Well said @ULOSTSOWAT! Lets go USA! Thinking about adding Fleetwood -120 vs Rickie more points. Thoughts?

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Look at Rickieā€™s record, its not exactly stellar. Also Fleetwood likely to play every match while Rick is probably going to sit on the sidelines for a few.

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